WebSherlock

[mrosson]

I would like to take this opportunity to clear up some rumors about WebSherlock. One forum member in particular thought that I was being misleading and pretending that I was an affiliate. I apologize in advance if anyone came to the same conclusion. I have never claimed to be an affiliate, but again, I do apologize if any of my posts tended to allude to this.

Yes, I do own WebSherlock, and have since I launched it in April. This week, I launched a whole new site combining the best elements from all of the people search sites on clickbank. Until now, I have been hesitant to reveal ownership of the site for a variety of reasons, however none of them had anything to do with plans to pretend to be an affiliate to drum up interest. That was never the idea.

The new site was created by mixing and matching templates and combining the best ideas and elements of sites in this niche that I have seen to create a "super site." Since I have shifted my efforts from promoting competing sites as an affiliate to promoting WebSherlock, my conversion rate has been about the same if not better. I also did some market research and discovered that people are just as likely to pay $39.95 as they are $19.95, $29.95, or $34.95 if the perceived value of the site is high, which ours is. The new site also pays 75% -- putting your commission at $26.96, making WebSherlock the highest paying people search site on Clickbank!

I hope this post clears some things up. It was never my intention to be deceiving and I wanted to take this opportunity to honestly answer some rumors that have been circulating. From my experience and market testing, WebSherlock converts between 1:20 and 1:25 visitors from Adwords and Overture. Many of the resources in our members area are 100% unique to our site, and so is our layout, ad copy style, and everything -- all designed to improve conversion rates. Check out the new website here: www.websherlock.com

If anyone would like a complimentary members area login, or if you need me to add conversion tracking code, please let me know by e-mail or hit me up on AIM.

[ColinSick]

Nice work clearing up the confusion.

Best of luck with the new site. :)

[nicky52001]

looks very much like locatepeople.org and courtrecords.org lol and the faq's are exact replica from their sites

[Uban]

looks very much like locatepeople.org and courtrecords.org lol and the faq's are exact replica from their sites

I was going to say the same thing...are you owner of these sites as well? If so, I just want to say thank you :) and I'm looking forward to you possibly creating more niche sites....

[nicky52001]

I was going to say the same thing...are you owner of these sites as well? If so, I just want to say thank you :) and I'm looking forward to you possibly creating more niche sites....

locatepeople.org and courtrecords.org are owned by professional cash

[Uban]

If anyone would like a complimentary members area login, or if you need me to add conversion tracking code, please let me know by e-mail or hit me up on AIM.

I would...does this mean I can go live when I do?

[mrosson]

locatepeople.org and courtrecords.org are owned by professional cash

Correct, those are Professional Cash sites. I got the search box idea from Court Records though. :lol:

To address Uban's question, the FAQs across most sites in this niche are pretty much the same. I rewrote everything from scratch to be sure I wasn't violating copyright. Covers the same points though. I encourage anyone who's promoting investigative sites right now to consider giving WebSherlock a go -- what do you have to lose? As far as I know, there isn't a site out there that pays as well as WebSherlock -- or one that converts any better.

I'm also considering a three day "free trial" option for $9.95, after which time they are billed $39.95 (so you would get 75% of $49.90 for those that forget to cancel, and $9.95 for those that do -- I doubt there will be many), and this way at least some money will be made from visitors that don't necessarily want to spend $39.95. If anyone has any questions or needs anything please don't hesitate to hit me up on AIM or MSN! Thanks.

p.s. Looks like this is my 300th post! :)

[mrosson]

I would...does this mean I can go live when I do?

Send me an email:

mrosson at mac dot com

[ColinSick]

Shouldn't this thread be in the "Buy and Sell" forum?

Particularly since it is a competitor of ProfessionalCash...... :confused:

[Iguana775]

I tried it before when you recommended it to me. i didnt get near the conversions as webinvestigator.

[mrosson]

Shouldn't this thread be in the "Buy and Sell" forum?

Particularly since it is a competitor of ProfessionalCash...... :confused:

Nothing wrong with friendly competition :)

I just started the thread to clear up some rumors, technically I'm not buying or selling anything..

I think that as eWealth expands, they should make some more folders to accommodate different types of posts. No one really reads posts in folders other than this General one, maybe if more were created and they were used, it could help categorize posts. Just a thought.

[mrosson]

I tried it before when you recommended it to me. i didnt get near the conversions as webinvestigator.

The new site converts a whole lot better, especially with the search box and new design. Refunds are a lot lower too, because I had a web design team completely redo the members area to categorize the resources better -- leading to less buyer confusion and refunds.

[Iguana775]

The new site converts a whole lot better, especially with the search box and new design. Refunds are a lot lower too, because I had a web design team completely redo the members area to categorize the resources better -- leading to less buyer confusion and refunds.

Cool. is it the same link? i might just reactivate my adwords ad.

[mrosson]

Cool. is it the same link? i might just reactivate my adwords ad.

Yep:

http://youridhere.websleuth.hop.clickbank.net

Best of luck!

[ColinSick]

Nothing wrong with friendly competition :)

I just started the thread to clear up some rumors, technically I'm not buying or selling anything..

I think that as eWealth expands, they should make some more folders to accommodate different types of posts. No one really reads posts in folders other than this General one, maybe if more were created and they were used, it could help categorize posts. Just a thought.
Fair enough. It is not my call.

I just wonder if you would appreciate somebody using your forum to promote a competing product.

[zhiro]

what is your email so I can send you my conversion tracking?

[Iguana775]

what is your email so I can send you my conversion tracking?

he posted it above

[Jeff]

I'm also considering a three day "free trial" option for $9.95, after which time they are billed $39.95 (so you would get 75% of $49.90 for those that forget to cancel, and $9.95 for those that do -- I doubt there will be many), and this way at least some money will be made from visitors that don't necessarily want to spend $39.95.

You are in for a large surprize when you try this and see that less then 25% will rebill for the full amount. If you do this make it an on exit pop of your pay form, and dont leave it for too long because it will spread that they can get a discount by just closing the sign up form and waiting for the cheaper one to pop up.

good luck with the program though, I think I might have to give it a try.




I just wonder if you would appreciate somebody using your forum to promote a competing product.

Most "private" sponsor forums are regulated to how much you can promote your own stuff, but they cant stop it, and wouldnt, too many people would just leave if all they can find is crap on the one sponsor, regardless of if it is their forum.

[cashscout]

Fair enough. It is not my call.

I just wonder if you would appreciate somebody using your forum to promote a competing product.

You're obviously a very busy and successful entrepreneur mrosson and congratsulations on creating your own product. I don't understand though why this post should be in this section of the forum. Like Colinsick said, it's only up to the moderators, but if this was your forum and they were promoting their product then I doubt if you would be stoked about it. If all you were doing is clearing the air then why did you open up a brand new topic, why not just respond to the old thread?

It was also very obvious that you were trying to appear as though you were an affiliate in the past. I know that at least on Adword Mentor you made a bunch of posts in the general discussion area touting your product. Those posts as well should have been in the affiliate marketplace section of the forum. You've been saying that Web Sherlock has a great conversion rate since you've been posting about it, and I seriously doubt with your old landing page that you had good conversions.

My point is that you went to the inappropriate section of forums and touted your product and it's great conversion rate evidenced by your success in selling it, and I'm sure you convinced others to promote it as well even though the conversions weren't as good as other products in that market.

So what I'm doing is defending the people who you manipulated into promoting your product in the past, causing them to lose money while you figured out how to improve your conversions. The landing page does look better now and I'm sure it converts better and good job & congrats on that, but don't act like Mr. Innocent here. You know exactly what your doing and you have all along.

[ColinSick]

cashscout.......excellent post. Very well stated.

[mattb348]

You're obviously a very busy and successful entrepreneur mrosson and congratsulations on creating your own product. I don't understand though why this post should be in this section of the forum. Like Colinsick said, it's only up to the moderators, but if this was your forum and they were promoting their product then I doubt if you would be stoked about it. If all you were doing is clearing the air then why did you open up a brand new topic, why not just respond to the old thread?

It was also very obvious that you were trying to appear as though you were an affiliate in the past. I know that at least on Adword Mentor you made a bunch of posts in the general discussion area touting your product. Those posts as well should have been in the affiliate marketplace section of the forum. You've been saying that Web Sherlock has a great conversion rate since you've been posting about it, and I seriously doubt with your old landing page that you had good conversions.

My point is that you went to the inappropriate section of forums and touted your product and it's great conversion rate evidenced by your success in selling it, and I'm sure you convinced others to promote it as well even though the conversions weren't as good as other products in that market.

So what I'm doing is defending the people who you manipulated into promoting your product in the past, causing them to lose money while you figured out how to improve your conversions. The landing page does look better now and I'm sure it converts better and good job & congrats on that, but don't act like Mr. Innocent here. You know exactly what your doing and you have all along.

How do you know the conversion rate isn't as good if you haven't even bothered to try it? Also, even if its slightly lower (which it probably isn't), you will still make more money due to the bigger commission. We are talking like $27.00 or so VS like $17.00.........

Also, if it really DOES turn out to make more money for us than WI, then hasn't he done us a favor? I would sure as heck think so. I'm always up for making more money. And he has the option of adding conversion tracking code just like WI.

I'm not currently promoting WI (yet), but when I do start doing the whole people search thing, I will definitely try out websherlock too. And if I make more money with that, then all the better.

Why sit here and holler about him posting in a forum where people will actually SEE it?

If anyone else has a site that they think will make me more money than what I'm using now, by all means, PLEASE feel free to post it here all you want so that I can test it out :) I"m always up for testing a potentially better affiliate site. If it doesn't yeild more money I simply wont use it. No biggy.

Don't get me wrong, I have tons of respect for professionalcash; they are GREAT guys and have excellent websites, and I love promoting them too!
But if I find a better website that means more money, I will switch in a heartbeat, and I'm pretty sure anyone else here would too. Its the name of the game. Of course, websites that are better than professionalcash sites are pretty rare :)

[cashscout]

How do you know the conversion rate isn't as good if you haven't even bothered to try it? Also, even if its slightly lower (which it probably isn't), you will still make more money due to the bigger commission. We are talking like $27.00 or so VS like $17.00.........

Also, if it really DOES turn out to make more money for us than WI, then hasn't he done us a favor? I would sure as heck think so. I'm always up for making more money. And he has the option of adding conversion tracking code just like WI.

I'm not currently promoting WI (yet), but when I do start doing the whole people search thing, I will definitely try out websherlock too. And if I make more money with that, then all the better.

Why sit here and holler about him posting in a forum where people will actually SEE it?

If anyone else has a site that they think will make me more money than what I'm using now, by all means, PLEASE feel free to post it here all you want so that I can test it out :) I"m always up for testing a potentially better affiliate site. If it doesn't yeild more money I simply wont use it. No biggy.

Don't get me wrong, I have tons of respect for professionalcash; they are GREAT guys and have excellent websites, and I love promoting them too!
But if I find a better website that means more money, I will switch in a heartbeat, and I'm pretty sure anyone else here would too. Its the name of the game. Of course, websites that are better than professionalcash sites are pretty rare :)

How do you know what I've tried or not? You shouldn't assume anything.

I agree with what you said in general, and as an affiliate I'm not loyal to any one brand either. I just felt like calling mrosson on his manipulation of this message board and the one at Adword Mentor.

[Lev]

Sorry, but I had to move this thread to "buy and sell" section, because it was becoming a free promo for websherlock. Nothing wrong with this, but we do not even mention or promote any of Professional Cash's products on the main forum, we like to keep that section free of spam and ads.

[dsh72]

I had been trying out the different investigative sites to see which ones converted the best. I generally have had decent luck with the WebInvestgator Site. But, one day a got a $26 commission for WebSherlock so I went and looked at the site. Looked good. Actually looked like a rip-off but, I said what the hell. I have another adwords account for testing so I set up a campaign and some ad groups. Well I forgot about it ... woops .. stupid me! I went back and looked yesterday and SHIT I had spent nearly $80 and made only 1 $26 commission. I HATE losing money! This same effort would have made me alot more with the WebInvestigator.

This is not meant to bash websherlock, I was really hoping that it would convert similiar and I would make $26 instead of $17. WHo doesnt want $9 more a sale for the same effort. Just didnt happen for me. Your mileage may vary!

Wait, nevermind. Everybody go promote this site and stop promoting WebInvestigator! NOW! That way I can get more Impressions from webinvestigator

[Jeff]

while everyone has different results, you cant say that his stats were as good as he claims, when you know how to sell something you can do very well at it.
I know two sites that I promote I may not be the top affilate, but I have the best ratio by a long shot.
I also know most program owners have great sales too, because they know the ins and outs of their program and know how to market it best.

that said, I think most of the investigative sites are a sham, and most are even just full of public info if you know where to look.

[mrosson]

The key with most of these sites is to promote with low cost, high volume keywords. You'll probably end up losing your shirt if you don't.

Lev, thanks for moving the thread -- if I could have moved it, I certainly would have.

[ColinSick]

Wait, nevermind. Everybody go promote this site and stop promoting WebInvestigator! NOW! That way I can get more Impressions from webinvestigator

Nice! :lol:

[mikesingh78]

Correct, those are Professional Cash sites. I got the search box idea from Court Records though. :lol:

To address Uban's question, the FAQs across most sites in this niche are pretty much the same. I rewrote everything from scratch to be sure I wasn't violating copyright. Covers the same points though. I encourage anyone who's promoting investigative sites right now to consider giving WebSherlock a go -- what do you have to lose? As far as I know, there isn't a site out there that pays as well as WebSherlock -- or one that converts any better.

I'm also considering a three day "free trial" option for $9.95, after which time they are billed $39.95 (so you would get 75% of $49.90 for those that forget to cancel, and $9.95 for those that do -- I doubt there will be many), and this way at least some money will be made from visitors that don't necessarily want to spend $39.95. If anyone has any questions or needs anything please don't hesitate to hit me up on AIM or MSN! Thanks.

p.s. Looks like this is my 300th post! :)



Can you get in trouble for copyright for having a similar FAQ? I copied my FAQ and pasted it on my website from another site.

[nicky52001]

Can you get in trouble for copyright for having a similar FAQ? I copied my FAQ and pasted it on my website from another site.

I don't think that should be a problem, like mrosson said, they are all pretty generic

[mikesingh78]

I don't think that should be a problem, like mrosson said, they are all pretty generic


Thanks Nicky

[mrosson]

I don't think that should be a problem, like mrosson said, they are all pretty generic

Right, and besides, I did it all from scratch anyway.

Things like FAQs, links to freely available public record sites, links to websites that are available to the public, and freely available images and templates *cannot* be copyrighted. Things like tutorials, sales letters, copyrighted images and templates, and proprietary IP (intellectual property) *can* be copyrighted. :sleazy: I am always careful to respect the rights of copyright owners. In fact, I know of a couple of sites that have copied public record links from our members area -- not that I would raise a fuss, since that isn't something that anybody could hold a copyright to. :shock:

Hope that clears it up!

[Uban]

FYI mrosson,

I too have a secondary ad account and I tested both courtrecords.org and websherlock.com. I must say I'm earning far more with courtrecords.org simply because conversions are better with courtrecords.org. You mentioned that you think people don't mind paying up to $29.95, but I think price does seem to be a factor. Plus, I think the domain name courtrecords.org helps with the conversion.

My sales for courtrecords.org actually spiked up when I paused the ads for websherlock.com.

This isn't to criticize your site or program at all, but rather give you feedback on a rather identical duplicate ad campaign. I think it boils down to price and that users just not convinced enough that they'll get the information they're looking for.

Best of luck to you...