OMG - Worst day ever :(

[chillware]

What a lame day for sales for me.. By this time of the morning I've usually averaged 8-10 sales.. but not today.. no, today has to suck.. only one sale! All my numbers are about right on as far as clicks and such.. damn Friday's - people need to be buying and stop day dreaming about the weekend! :rant:

[Mpio]

What a lame day for sales for me.. By this time of the morning I've usually averaged 8-10 sales.. but not today.. no, today has to suck.. only one sale! All my numbers are about right on as far as clicks and such.. damn Friday's - people need to be buying and stop day dreaming about the weekend! :rant:

This week is Gross, not only Friday. I have had one of the worst weeks ever. :sad:

I am wondering if CB is working right because I have been showing conversions and NOT seeing the sales show up in my account!!

[Leyla]

We are actually doing good in CB this week. Maybe the weekend will be better for you.

[carr11]

All is going well as usual for me. Hope eveyones weekend is better..

[chillware]

This week is Gross, not only Friday. I have had one of the worst weeks ever. :sad:

I am wondering if CB is working right because I have been showing conversions and NOT seeing the sales show up in my account!!


Well I'm glad im not the only one seeing crap... Well, I'm off to research some keywords for a new campaign... man, this is turning in to a full time gig for me.. Im always messing w/ something through out the day.. :S

[junipershade]

This week is Gross, not only Friday. I have had one of the worst weeks ever. :sad:

I am wondering if CB is working right because I have been showing conversions and NOT seeing the sales show up in my account!!

I'm seeing exactly the same thing. I average 5 or 6 sales a day with one particular campaign, and suddenly had 5 days with no sales whatsoever. I was still seeing conversions in adwords for multiple sales every day. I created a brand new clcikbank account, redirected my links, and had 5 sales in 3 hours. I don't know if this is just random, or if something screwy is going on at clickbank with some accounts.

[Velcrow]

I see Google conversions but no sales too.

Last Sunday was bizzare. Hundreds of clicks, but nothing in either CB or Google so I paused Sunday evening. :frustrate

Monday - started to see sales on Google but they never showed up on Clickbank - all during this week! So I have been in and out of "pause mode" on CB stuff. :rant:

I can track every other network just fine. I'm starting to think I'll give CB a miss completely. Revisit in a few months maybe...what a PITA. :confused:

I already have a shitload of accounts, and don't need anymore - although might be worth experimenting a bit like Juniper did, I seem to be in constant experiment mode with CB. :weird:

Velcrow-

[Mpio]

I see Google conversions but no sales too.

Last Sunday was bizzare. Hundreds of clicks, but nothing in either CB or Google so I paused Sunday evening. :frustrate

Monday - started to see sales on Google but they never showed up on Clickbank - all during this week! So I have been in and out of "pause mode" on CB stuff. :rant:

I can track every other network just fine. I'm starting to think I'll give CB a miss completely. Revisit in a few months maybe...what a PITA. :confused:

I already have a shitload of accounts, and don't need anymore - although might be worth experimenting a bit like Juniper did, I seem to be in constant experiment mode with CB. :weird:

Velcrow-

I am beginning to get really pissed off about this. How many guys in here have complained about this very same issue, time and time again. I track sales thru ALL of the major Search Engines, and they are all saying sales, yet CB is NOT showing them.

Are we all being "Hacked"??

WTF Already.

I'm not in business to lose money. If CB has some issues, maybe they should fix them. Or better yet, some of the Publishers in here, including Spy Profits should ask CB to get to the bottum of this, or switch to another payment processor.

I am not blaming Spy Profits, don't get me wrong. I just think Spy Profits as a Company holds alot more bargaining power than me, "Average Joe Affiliate".

On another note. Does anyone know what is happening with the "Teaser Search"? Lev, maybe you can add some insight into these issues, please.

[Miles Baker]

I'm seeing exactly the same thing. I average 5 or 6 sales a day with one particular campaign, and suddenly had 5 days with no sales whatsoever. I was still seeing conversions in adwords for multiple sales every day. I created a brand new clcikbank account, redirected my links, and had 5 sales in 3 hours. I don't know if this is just random, or if something screwy is going on at clickbank with some accounts.

Wow! That's is really strange! Something is definitely going on, 5 days with NO sales, then 5 in 3 hours after you set up a new account. STRANGE :confused:

[nebula1]

I'm seeing exactly the same thing. I average 5 or 6 sales a day with one particular campaign, and suddenly had 5 days with no sales whatsoever. I was still seeing conversions in adwords for multiple sales every day. I created a brand new clcikbank account, redirected my links, and had 5 sales in 3 hours. I don't know if this is just random, or if something screwy is going on at clickbank with some accounts.


Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! See? See? Im not making it up!!! I told yall!!!! Yes!! We gotta do something about this bullshit!!!

[Mpio]

Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! See? See? Im not making it up!!! I told yall!!!! Yes!! We gotta do something about this bullshit!!!

Nebula1,

Can you, as a Publisher contact CB and express concerns on our behalf. I have called them, but always get the same old "Everything is Normal".

I'll send you a PM with the person you need to speak to if you need it. Just PM me and I can give you her name, but you should have it.

Actually F**k It.

Everyone in here call CB and Bitch to TONI. Maybe then they will wake up.

PM me if you need the number.

[nebula1]

Nebula1,

Can you, as a Publisher contact CB and express concerns on our behalf. I have called them, but always get the same old "Everything is Normal".

I'll send you a PM with the person you need to speak to if you need it. Just PM me and I can give you her name, but you should have it.

Actually F**k It.

Everyone in here call CB and Bitch to TONI. Maybe then they will wake up.

PM me if you need the number.


I hear you....You know what I am thinking.....They tell me "everything is fine too. :angry:

[nebula1]

I am actually in a blank spot right now, three hours, ten active publisher accounts, no sales. In an hour my sales will start coming in from many different affiliates full force. Im telling you, they are so sloppy at it too, it's so obvious.

I just wanted to add, that at the end of the day, I am so thankful that I can make a living this way I don't rock the boat & there is no proof other than what we always talk about so If anyone has any ideas.....

[hgarcia0509]

This week has been normal for me although I feel the pain you guys are facing. I used to complain to clickbank about this issue all time but I always get the "everything is normal" reply. The sales I've made makes everything look normal but I know I'm missing a lot of sales. After awhile I guess I got used to it and since Im still in crazy profit, I guess I can't complain. BTW my CPCs are way down and clicks are coming in by craploads. Anyone else experiencing this?

H Garcia

[mattb348]

Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! See? See? Im not making it up!!! I told yall!!!! Yes!! We gotta do something about this bullshit!!!

I'm with you. Same BS here.

[Mpio]

This week has been normal for me although I feel the pain you guys are facing. I used to complain to clickbank about this issue all time but I always get the "everything is normal" reply. The sales I've made makes everything look normal but I know I'm missing a lot of sales. After awhile I guess I got used to it and since Im still in crazy profit, I guess I can't complain. BTW my CPCs are way down and clicks are coming in by craploads. Anyone else experiencing this?

H Garcia

I'm working on it, but was not prepared for the Google onslaught that most of us have been hit with. I'll survive it, but am working like a Dog to fix what has definately been a real "Hit".

[junipershade]

I am actually in a blank spot right now, three hours, ten active publisher accounts, no sales. In an hour my sales will start coming in from many different affiliates full force. Im telling you, they are so sloppy at it too, it's so obvious.

I just wanted to add, that at the end of the day, I am so thankful that I can make a living this way I don't rock the boat & there is no proof other than what we always talk about so If anyone has any ideas.....


Did you ever purchase one of your own products during one of these 'quiet periods' to see if the sale showed up?

Neil

[hgarcia0509]

I'm working on it, but was not prepared for the Google onslaught that most of us have been hit with. I'll survive it, but am working like a Dog to fix what has definately been a real "Hit".

Hey Mpio,

Thats good. Keep at it bro. If you need any help, well you know who to contact. :)

H Garcia

[hgarcia0509]

Did you ever purchase one of your own products during one of these 'quiet periods' to see if the sale showed up?

Neil

Yea, lots of times but I remember one time where the sale wasnt recorded. I was pissed! :angry: I even saw my affiliate id on the bottom of the credit card info page so I dont know how I didnt get credited for the sale. :frustrate:

H Garcia

[Velcrow]

I guess I can't complain. BTW my CPCs are way down and clicks are coming in by craploads. Anyone else experiencing this?

I think half the competition was wiped out by Google Adwords fiasco. My CPCs are gone down too, actually I lowered them when my page position went up. :)

Problem is I'm not doing the "clicks coming in in craploads" thing because Clickbank will not show any sales. At this point, I'm in pause mode after 100-200 clicks or so. :shoot:

BTW - I have seen this CB behavior on and off for months now, but this week was totally fubared. And I had refund hell on last weeks stuff which had matched Adwords conversion rate to a "T" - well almost. :shock:

I'm pretty new at this so it's difficult for me to tell if things are working the way they are supposed to. :confused:

Velcrow-

[IM-Mike]

Yeah, this has been discussed many other times on a few other forums I frequent. I know a couple people that actually pause campaigns for a day or two after not seeing sales and then when they restart them.. BOOM multiple sales just like before. Clickbank will always tell you that there isn't a problem though. I REALLY wish they would setup some type of tracking in there system.

-Mike

[wpgcoder]

Yeah, this has been discussed many other times on a few other forums I frequent. I know a couple people that actually pause campaigns for a day or two after not seeing sales and then when they restart them.. BOOM multiple sales just like before. Clickbank will always tell you that there isn't a problem though. I REALLY wish they would setup some type of tracking in there system.

-Mike

Set your own tracking!! If you own a domain, use redirects to capture your hits, reffered http, IP, and all other info you would like. If you use email to promote products, you can capture who has clicked, impressions even, if you use images of course. This will help you figure out problem areas, marketing tips to fix, areas where promoting is not paying off... etc

[IM-Mike]

Set your own tracking!! If you own a domain, use redirects to capture your hits, reffered http, IP, and all other info you would like. If you use email to promote products, you can capture who has clicked, impressions even, if you use images of course. This will help you figure out problem areas, marketing tips to fix, areas where promoting is not paying off... etc

I do everything you mentioned.. still won't help solve a problem on the clickbank end recording sales properly.

-Mike

[machiavelli]

The problem may be Google. They have, either yesterday or the day before, "rolled out there new quality score landing page initiative" which so far has been like the 29 crash for affiliate marketers. :) What has happened due to these new strict standards is many keywords will have say a 500% higher minimum bid.

I haven't heard anyone talk about this on ewealth, yet it seems to be the only thing anyone is talking about on every other forum. Has anyone here been hit because of this?

So far I have only noticied a minor hit thanks to our friends at Google.

[Velcrow]

I just had 2 sales on 45 clicks in the last few hours - since I first posted :shock:

So now I want to go and crank up my campaigns again. But this has happened before, and when I crank them up, they start losing sales again, i.e. there will be a disparity between Adwords tracking and CB tracking. :weird:

Up to a few day ago - on my spreadsheet - the disparity has been 30% since June 1st. :throwup:

What bugs me is that I can usually predict behavior on Google conversion stats, but I can never predict it on CB stats. :confused:

Velcrow-

[onewake]

The problem may be Google. They have, either yesterday or the day before, "rolled out there new quality score landing page initiative" which so far has been like the 29 crash for affiliate marketers. :) What has happened due to these new strict standards is many keywords will have say a 500% higher minimum bid.

I haven't heard anyone talk about this on ewealth, yet it seems to be the only thing anyone is talking about on every other forum. Has anyone here been hit because of this?

So far I have only noticied a minor hit thanks to our friends at Google.


Which other I.M forums are you talking about?

[Velcrow]

The problem may be Google. They have, either yesterday or the day before, "rolled out there new quality score landing page initiative" which so far has been like the 29 crash for affiliate marketers.

Hi Machiavelli,
I would summarize the problem as MPIO put it:


This week is Gross, not only Friday. I have had one of the worst weeks ever.
I am wondering if CB is working right because I have been showing conversions and NOT seeing the sales show up in my account!!

This is about the disparity between Google conversion data, and Clickbank sales data.

In my opinion, the Google algo is a different problem. What is frustrating for me is that I can deal with the Google algo problem, but I can't deal with the Google-Clickbank disparity problem.

Velcrow-

[suedehead]

What a lame day for sales for me.. By this time of the morning I've usually averaged 8-10 sales.. but not today.. no, today has to suck.. only one sale! All my numbers are about right on as far as clicks and such.. damn Friday's - people need to be buying and stop day dreaming about the weekend! :rant:

Have you looked at your Adwords account? Are all of your kws active? The new landing page quality score issue that Machiavelli mentioned is a VERY big deal ... and there's hardly a peep about it here.

My most profitable campaign was hit pretty hard (kws that were active for under .25 now are requiring .50, $1.00 and even $5.00.). Apparently the "quality" of my landing page is low ... apparently no one told the visitors this since the conversions have been solid for months.

I have other campaigns that were not even touched. The whole implementation is strange and frustrating.

- Suedehead

[ColinSick]

http://www.ewealth.com/showthread.php?t=4145

There is a thread in the main forum on the algorithm change.

[nebula1]

Did you ever purchase one of your own products during one of these 'quiet periods' to see if the sale showed up?

Neil


Yes the sale shows up when I buy it. The only time I really had them by the balls is when I actually took the time to look up a customer who I thought was lying to me, turns out when I couldnt find his name the dude pulled an order reciept out of his ass THAT DID NOT EXIST!

You know what they said?

They said: $#%@$@#RCSDFGDSFGDWDR@$@$3DS ?????? Stuff that made alot of sense (extremely sarcastic)

My sales spiked the next couple of days.

[machiavelli]

http://www.ewealth.com/showthread.php?t=4145

There is a thread in the main forum on the algorithm change.

Thanks CS I was at the Affiliate Summit in Orlando, and missed this thread. I will have to read it. :)

[mrosson]

Yes the sale shows up when I buy it. The only time I really had them by the balls is when I actually took the time to look up a customer who I thought was lying to me, turns out when I couldnt find his name the dude pulled an order reciept out of his ass THAT DID NOT EXIST!

You know what they said?

They said: $#%@$@#RCSDFGDSFGDWDR@$@$3DS ?????? Stuff that made alot of sense (extremely sarcastic)

My sales spiked the next couple of days.

I've had that happen plenty of times. :innocent:

I also love the clowns that think they can say "oh, I accidentally hit the order button, I meant to hit cancel"......so you're telling me that you "accidentally" typed in your zipcode, clicked Continue, typed in your full name, credit card number, expiration date, e-mail address, and then "accidentally" hit the purchase button instead of the cancel button that...oh, by the way, isn't even on the form??? :lol: :lol:

[Mpio]

Okay,

So it's like 11:00 O'Clock. My CB accounts again......have had almost no activety for the last 2 hours. Nada, Nothing.

I am going to sign up under a new affiliate ID in one of my more active sites tonight. It won't effect my Adwords Accounts, because I am going to Back Door the thing thru one of my URLs.

My sales are BRUTAL.

By Wednesday I should have some information, and I will post it. If my sales have Gone Up, between now and then, we all have a problem. Not just me. "We All" have a problem.

I will let you all know on Wednesday. I need to go to the Lake and cook a Hot Dog already. I don't drink anymore, but I am having second thoughts.

Wednesday.

I'll let you all know my findings by Wednesday at the latest.

[mrosson]

All of my good dvd4ipod keywords on Google are now $10.00 a click. Not that it was that profitable to begin with since they jacked up the minimums on them a few months ago anyway. :confused:

[Mpio]

All of my good dvd4ipod keywords on Google are now $10.00 a click. Not that it was that profitable to begin with since they jacked up the minimums on them a few months ago anyway. :confused:

Even you Veterens are getting it. I spoke with a long term Adwords user who has a couple sites on CB. All of his affiliates and even he himself has been hit.

Hmmmm

Maybe CB is hurting???

Hmmmm

Or, considering the topic of this thread and recent events, are they??

:angry:

[hgarcia0509]

Even you Veterens are getting it. I spoke with a long term Adwords user who has a couple sites on CB. All of his affiliates and even he himself has been hit.

Hmmmm

Maybe CB is hurting???

Hmmmm

Or, considering the topic of this thread and recent events, are they??

:angry:

I doubt CB is hurting. They make sales transactions from many things. PPC is only a part of it.

H Garcia

[Brain]

Yeah, this has been discussed many other times on a few other forums I frequent. I know a couple people that actually pause campaigns for a day or two after not seeing sales and then when they restart them.. BOOM multiple sales just like before. Clickbank will always tell you that there isn't a problem though. I REALLY wish they would setup some type of tracking in there system.

-Mike

I can't believe you said that! Same shit happened to me. I paused a campaign that used to work amazingly (300% ROI), 'cause all of the sudden, it stoped selling. and then I decided to open it again after 3 days and BOOM 4 sales in 3 hours. This crap makes me edit things that actually work! is there anything worse than that?! Here's what I think of CB :finger:

Raz

[IM-Mike]

I can't believe you said that! Same shit happened to me. I paused a campaign that used to work amazingly (300% ROI), 'cause all of the sudden, it stoped selling. and then I decided to open it again after 3 days and BOOM 4 sales in 3 hours. This crap makes me edit things that actually work! is there anything worse than that?! Here's what I think of CB :finger:

Raz

Yep, it happens. Everyone always said they were in disbelief at first and figured it had to be a coincidence. Then they tried it again and same thing. I know people that do it religously now because its the only way they can keep their sales consistent. There's definitely a glitch in the matrix somewhere...

-Mike

[nebula1]

I've had that happen plenty of times. :innocent:

I also love the clowns that think they can say "oh, I accidentally hit the order button, I meant to hit cancel"......so you're telling me that you "accidentally" typed in your zipcode, clicked Continue, typed in your full name, credit card number, expiration date, e-mail address, and then "accidentally" hit the purchase button instead of the cancel button that...oh, by the way, isn't even on the form??? :lol: :lol:


Oh dude, this is an entirely different topic, but a damn good one-Oh my god man, It seems that everytime I order something from paypal and it doesnt work on my machine it is impossible to get a refund! They tell me "well you downloaded intellectual property" then people chargeback my products cause they "don't know what the charge was or can't remember :angry:

[nebula1]

My sales are up, it doesnt seem different, maybe it helps that profitmonster trains new affiliates all the time but it seems my old affiliates are making sales too-just that blank spot everyday. :angry:

Hey, Anyone know if CB is in legal trouble?

[mrosson]

My sales are up, it doesnt seem different, maybe it helps that profitmonster trains new affiliates all the time but it seems my old affiliates are making sales too-just that blank spot everyday. :angry:

Hey, Anyone know if CB is in legal trouble?

Doubt it, they've lasted this long. Unfortunately this also means their technology is as old as they are, which is about ten years. :innocent:

[Mpio]

My sales are up, it doesnt seem different, maybe it helps that profitmonster trains new affiliates all the time but it seems my old affiliates are making sales too-just that blank spot everyday. :angry:

Hey, Anyone know if CB is in legal trouble?

I haven't heard about any Legal Issues. However, I would be lead to believe they too are feeling the effects of the Google Algorithm change. (I spelled it right this time too).

[IanWilcox]

Clickbank need a upgrade ... 10 years geeezzz !!!

anyone been around since the start ? id be intrested to know... :)

[ewealthy]

The Google page quality score hurts bad bad..
I was doing a campaign where there were inly 3 competitors for a certain keywords..and in matter of 24 hrs I was told to raise the bid for my key words..from $0.10 to $2.00....I had to immediately cancel the campaigns..

[Brain]

Okay,

So it's like 11:00 O'Clock. My CB accounts again......have had almost no activety for the last 2 hours. Nada, Nothing.

I am going to sign up under a new affiliate ID in one of my more active sites tonight. It won't effect my Adwords Accounts, because I am going to Back Door the thing thru one of my URLs.

My sales are BRUTAL.

By Wednesday I should have some information, and I will post it. If my sales have Gone Up, between now and then, we all have a problem. Not just me. "We All" have a problem.

I will let you all know on Wednesday. I need to go to the Lake and cook a Hot Dog already. I don't drink anymore, but I am having second thoughts.

Wednesday.

I'll let you all know my findings by Wednesday at the latest.


Did you find out anything new? The new method works?

[promomom]

The Google page quality score hurts bad bad..
I was doing a campaign where there were inly 3 competitors for a certain keywords..and in matter of 24 hrs I was told to raise the bid for my key words..from $0.10 to $2.00....I had to immediately cancel the campaigns..
I hear you! I stopped getting sales for two of the products I promote, got ugly and turned my ads off. Went in to check a couple of days later and find out I can make sales again, If I want to reactivate all but 1 keyword for 10 times what I was paying before! Yeah right! I'd rather run around naked with a poster board!

[Mpio]

Did you find out anything new? The new method works?

I almost forgot, thanks to "Brain" for reminding me.

I changed my Nickname to see if my sales were going to increase. Much to my disappointment, my results came back the exact same way. :mad:

Maybe when CB starts to make some additional changes (as Miles indicated) it will improve. From what I have read in the forum, CB is using 10 year old Technology. I own a 14 year old car and am always fixing something. CB definately needs to upgrade. Hopefully soon.

[Brain]

There are hundreds of affiliate companies. How come no one could really replace CB? That's funny, I thought people use CB because it's reliable.
Is it? :confused:

[Mpio]

There are hundreds of affiliate companies. How come no one could really replace CB? That's funny, I thought people use CB because it's reliable.
Is it? :confused:

CB is highly popular, in my opinion, becasue they are convenient and easy to use. Kind of like "Coke" or "Pepsi". People have been drinking that type of soda for yesrs and are used to it.

One Network/Digital River, as shown below this area carries many of the same products. They actually provide FREE TRIALS on some of their Software as well and they have a very large Inventory. Maybe check them out.

After August, I will be switching some of my stuff over to them for one other reason. They pay you a Bonus and their Merchant fees are lower, meaning you earn more for promoting the very same products.

I am not endorsing One Network. I just know they pay higher from the exact same products I promoted thru ClickBank

Best Of Luck

Mpio

[drak]

Do they have the same super easy affiliate system as Clickbank though?

Drak

[Biff_Tiberius_Farnsworth]

Salutations Mpio

My only question...

Do they pay what they owe you?

Simple, hard. Loose, strict. I can work with those. It's the reputation for payment that's the deal breaker for me.

~B

[cricketchamps]

What a lame day for sales for me.. By this time of the morning I've usually averaged 8-10 sales.. but not today.. no, today has to suck.. only one sale! All my numbers are about right on as far as clicks and such.. damn Friday's - people need to be buying and stop day dreaming about the weekend! :rant:


Dont worry chillware.......if you havent made a sale today, maybe you will make better money tomorrow.........just dont give you.....Maybe there is a reason behind this, y u haven't made a sale today.

[Mpio]

Salutations Mpio

My only question...

Do they pay what they owe you?

Simple, hard. Loose, strict. I can work with those. It's the reputation for payment that's the deal breaker for me.

~B

Yes Biff.

Once again, I am only speaking from experience. I promoted one or two offers in the past. While it took a little time to start receiving payments, once they started coming in, they were timely. A product that was paying me $23.50 on CB, paid $26.21 on DR with an additional $0.17 cents per sale as a Bonus.

Another thing I liked about Digital River is the Merchants set up numorous links to different landing pages. As we all know, most products on CB go directly to the Merchants main page. With DR, you can have your landing page go right to the Main Site, or the Specific Product you want to push. You can even have the link go directly to the Order Page which is nice for people who build their own sites with their own content.

They also have some pretty recognizable Brands from the likes of Norton and Mcaffe in their inventory as well.

One of the reasons I want to consider an alternate is simply because of the numerous anonomylies happening with CB lately. When 9 out of 10 people consistantly raise the same issues of "Vanishing Sales", something just doesn't sound right.

Maybe check them out and decide for yourselves.

Best of Luck

Mpio

[Biff_Tiberius_Farnsworth]

Thanks Mpio. I did check them out and was just waiting for your reply.

As far as missing conversions at CB are concerned, I too have had my suspiscions. Each time I did extensive testing (including marketing affiliate's same products through multiple affiliate networks) and the results always showed more than a 95% probability that CB was accurate.

~B

[Mpio]

Thanks Mpio. I did check them out and was just waiting for your reply.

As far as missing conversions at CB are concerned, I too have had my suspiscions. Each time I did extensive testing (including marketing affiliate's same products through multiple affiliate networks) and the results always showed more than a 95% probability that CB was accurate.

~B

Nice to hear you did some testing for us Biff. This makes me a little more happy so to speak.

Like I said, I am not endorsing DR. Just going to maybe move around my promotions a little more once the Fall comes around. Test out some new offers and means of delivery. Maybe even make a "Nickle" or two in the process.

Mpio :)

[drak]

I just found a perfect replacement for Clickbank called Paydot... they offer all the same services (more actually) and are much cheaper. Vendors are free for a start... If you look at the fees page you will see the differences compared to Clickbank.

Paydot (http://paydotcom.net/?affiliate=37606) (affiliate link)

Drak

[ColaDesigns]

they're not a perfect replacement, they've been around for awhile... most people know about it and many dislike it for multiple reasons.

[nebula1]

Tonight Paydotcom's Bandwidth exceeded :lol: